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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 4, 2011 5:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick Latvala (part 3)

CONCLUSION.


Since then, Grateful Dead releases have boomed – save for a halt when they shifted to Rhino, live Dead albums have come pouring out in various formats, with ever-more extravagant box sets being issued all the time. The brief-lived Download Series, and the currently-running Taper’s Section hint at a possible future of streams and downloads from the Vault.

Latvala said in ’96 they had not started any digital archiving: “We haven’t done any…because archiving means finding a medium that everyone deems acceptable, and no one’s agreed on one yet. That includes DATs, CDs, maybe optical discs. Everything is changing so fast in the digital realm. And there are so many thousands of tapes to transfer, and some of them aren’t worth shit. I mean, no one on the inside will use them for a marketable product. So if you’re going into archiving, you have to know what is good, because time is of the essence. You start with what’s important – but who knows what’s important? Me, supposedly. But we haven’t done that yet.”

Surprisingly, as the band-member who had put the brakes on Vault releases back in the early ‘90s, later on Phil Lesh was most enthusiastic about making the shows in the Vault available to everyone. When asked if the Vault could be opened for people to download, Lesh said, “I think that’s a great idea.”
Latvala said: “I don’t know how it will happen or how quickly, but I certainly think that Phil is interested in having every tape accessible to anyone…it would be more like something stored on a big mainframe and you can download music at your house. But it’s a fantasy concept because it will take forever to transfer everything. I don’t foresee that happening for a while.”

By 2000, according to Jeffrey Norman the situation hadn’t advanced much: “The band members are still looking at the feasibility of digitizing the vault to make it accessible on the internet, maybe on a streaming basis. But they would still own and have total control over the contents. The details are still quite vague… If we do digitize the vault and make things available for people to listen to on demand, or to stream, then that would mean that it would be as-is…warts ‘n’ all. I’m told that it would all be for free, and that would be the only way I’d support it.”
Lemieux: “Shows on demand? Maybe someday, but not until the audio quality of such an undertaking would be satisfactory to GDP.”

Mickey Hart was also in favor of digitizing the vault and providing full access; Bob Weir spoke in ‘99 as if plans were going full-speed-ahead:
“There’s not much of any way to rush it. We’ll get it done as quickly as possible. We’ll probably start by going on dead.net and doing a quick-and-dirty survey on which shows we should get to first. We’ll do those and they’ll be available, but it’s going to take a year or so, I would guess, to digitize the whole thing. The plan is to give fans all access, via both internet and traditional hard-disc sales. Fans will be able to get entire shows, or pick and choose favorite songs. At that point, you’ll be able to get every Uncle John’s Band from 1978 to 1984, or whatever you want.”
(Though he admitted, “I’m not our archivist by any stretch of the imagination. I don’t have time to listen to that old stuff…”)
The next year he was still optimistic: “We’re still getting that deal together but it’s nearing solution now… When that happens then we…start digitizing the Vault. Stuff will come out, but it’s going to take six months or a year to digitize the thing at full race. But stuff will start being available. What we’ll do is do a poll as to which are the most in-demand shows and we’ll start there. And then we’ll get the whole deal digitized…as soon as we can actually. My guess is that within a couple of months you’ll start being able to get stuff online or more mail-order discs.”

The Dead were divided, though, about how this would be funded – there was some opposition to corporate-sponsored backing and “selling out to Microsoft”, so the deal fell through. So the day of digital Vault downloads was not to arrive so soon after all…
In ’02 Lemieux was skeptical that such a program would affect their usual CD release schedule: “I cannot see a day that will come when everybody who wants music gets it from their computer… I don’t think I know anyone where the computer is the only source for their music. People for the most part really like their CDs, so I can’t see it impacting the releases – if it does, I don’t know how comfortable we’d be doing that.”

Time passed, and when Lemieux was asked in ’04 about digitizing the Vault, they’d gotten no further:
“This is something that we’ve been looking into for a number of years. It seems the technology is just about there, which means it’s time we start looking at it seriously. I’d love to see it happen.”
And in ’05 Lemieux admitted that the Vault was still not being digitized: “No, because that’s somebody’s full-time job and nobody here has that job. It’s not an active process…but we back up everything we listen to… So if we’re listening to [a tour for a Dick’s Pick], we do a proper digital backup of that while we’re going through… It’s pretty much the best way we can do it.”

When Weir was asked about it later on, he’d sigh that maybe someday it would happen…
’06: “It’s always been too expensive, too labor-intensive, to digitize our vaults, and maybe that’s possible now.”
’07: “That’s our hope. It’s going to be time-consuming and costly to digitize all that stuff to make it readily available. Now we’re doing the shows one by one. At some point, a massive effort, I think, should be made to digitize the whole Vault. That way, you can hear every Uncle John’s Band from 1978 to 1988, or whatever you want, a song at a time, but that’s still a long ways off.”

In 2009, the USCS received a (somewhat controversial) federal grant to digitize at least some of the Vault and make it available on a “Virtual Terrapin Station” website. The project is said to take until 2012…

In the meantime we have the Archive and various download sites, where the shows in circulation are all free. But Dick did foresee one of the downsides of downloading shows.
Rich Latvala: “He felt that online trading and exchanging digital files really removed the personal element in tape trading. That was the most appalling thing he could imagine happening. One of the major elements in tape trading for him was sharing the music personally, discussing it one on one, discovering new things together, and just talking to other people about it… He abhorred the idea that you would just download the music and never talk about anyone with it.”


IX. DICK’S FAVORITES

“Though in my soul I’m an Anthem-era man…I think ’73 was the best year the Dead ever had. There were so many unique vehicles for jamming that year.”

Eddie Claridge: “Dick liked ’73 better than ’72. I think Dick’s true heart lay somewhere in between ’68 and ’69. That’s what he always went back to listen to when he had time to listen to whatever he felt like.”

Aside from the notebook excerpts -
http://www.dicklatvala.com/notebooks.htm -
Latvala would also often write little mini-reviews on his tape j-cards, putting stars by the best songs and adding little comments like “great!”, “killer!”, “thrilling!”, “brain-fry!”...
There’s also a page collecting Latvala’s various web postings, of the best shows of late ’72, ’73-’74, and ’77; and also some song recommendations through the years:
http://www.agitators.com/gd/ -
(posts also duplicated at http://home1.gte.net/cmp1163x/vaultDNC.htm )

Here is a compilation of some of his other comments about different shows – some from conversations, some from friends’ memories, some from tapecards…

7/29-30/66: “Dick loved this tape and played it often and always wished for it to be a Dick’s Pick.”
2/28/69: “The best and most exciting GD show ever - without a doubt!!!”
8/29/69: “He thought this show sucked so much that he refused to play it ever again.”
8/30/69: “Performance is similar to last night’s. Things just don’t jell. Jam: very introverted, non-musical. The Killing Jam doesn’t jell as well as 11/7/69.”
11/1/69 Alligator Jam: “unique and very rare!”
11/7/69 Jam in Dark Star: “The single greatest statement! Equal in uniqueness & intensity to 11/8/69.”
11/8/69: “One of the best and most unique shows ever!”
12/26/69 Dark Star: “One good example of a type of riff that would occasionally appear during Dark Star. Fantastic.”
4/12/70: “Show is an excellent example of a super show.”
5/2/70: “As good as it will ever get for one show.”
9/19/70: the best Dark Star ever. (Although Dick frequently changed his mind on this point, once even naming 10/26/89 the best Dark Star…)
4/29/71: “He never thought this was a particularly hot show.”
10/24/71 Dark Star: Killer. “He loved this Dark Star and thought it was out of place for 1971, feeling more like 1969.”
11/6/71 NFA>GDTR>NFA: “One of the most exciting versions.” (He was also thrilled by the 8/22/72 version.)
11/14/71 Other One: “Great bass playing – nice transition – very unique and intense!”
4/8/72: the best Caution ever.
5/7/72 Other One: “Best of the best kind of playing.”
8/27/72: “Way overrated. He could think of at least ten shows from Sept & Oct ’72 that were superior in every aspect.”
9/24/72 Dark Star: “Unique and lots of treats and styles.”
10/24/72 Other One: “A very special treat with oodles of unique jamming.”
12/15/72 Truckin’ Jam: “Very unique and exciting!”
2/19/73: Possibly the best music the Dead played in 1973. He said, “You’d never know just by looking at such an ordinary setlist.”
3/24/73 Jam: “includes some superb bass playing, with a solo!”
4/2/73: Jam out of Sunshine “has nice, jazzy brain-fry feeling to it” - Eyes is “the best playing of the show.”
9/11/73 “is a good show but we won’t see it in our lifetime because 9/8/73 kills it.”
September ’73 horn shows: “The worst bullshit excuse for music I’ve ever heard in my LIFE, man!”
10/19/73: “Excellent show; both sets are exciting! This show may be the best of the period!”
10/29-30/73: Dick said these shows blew him away, and the Other One was incredible. “We talked about doing a Pick from those. He thought that neither of the shows was probably strong enough to stand on its own.”
11/11/73: “Performance is spunky, but there were lots of wrong chords/notes and no outstanding moments (other than the Mind Left Body jam, which was only a couple of minutes long) – not close to my memory of it.”
11/20/73: “Excellent show. Best 2nd set yet.”
11/21/73: “The night before was ten times better.”
12/8/73 Other One: “Meltdown material! Quite long, but nothing close in intensity to 12/2/73.”
7/31/74 Jam: “unusual but not great.”
8/6/74: “9/74 London is a better Playing in the Band than 8/6/74. A few other ‘74s should come out, but there’s thousands from ‘73 more worthy.”
5/22/77: “It tears apart Ithaca. It rips it to shreds.”
11/6/77: “Not the show you want released – you want 11/4/77 Colgate.”
4/8/78: “One of the finest shows of the year, I want to release it.”
9/2/78: “the greatest Scarlet>Fire ever.”
12/31/78: “That is the greatest night in the history of the planet… You should have been there – there were tremendous thrills…”
5/6/81: “One of Dick’s favorite shows from the ‘80s. The second-set jam always blew him away, and to him it was not only one of the best jams of the ‘80s, it was one of the best jams ever. He also really dug the first set.”

The two most requested shows for Dick’s Picks were, of course, Veneta ’72 and Ithaca ’77, both of which Latvala pooh-poohed.
8/27/72: “No. There are about 4-5 other shows about that time that were better. There weren’t that many exciting points in that show. It was a hot day, the guitars were out of tune… I don’t see doing that right away.”
He was also very dismissive of 5/8/77 – when it was requested, he’d say, “Don’t you all have that in perfect quality?” and boast about never releasing it: “There is one tape I won’t release. Everyone wants it, no one will get it.” (Funnily enough, Lemieux later said it wasn’t even in the Vault.)


X. LINKS & SOURCES

“I feel like I’m just the luckiest person on earth. I know there could be any number of you out there doing this just as well, but I happen to be here, the one doing it, so that’s my goal, to get the great stuff out.”

http://home1.gte.net/cmp1163x/vault.htm - Words from the Vault (links to interviews with Latvala & Lemieux)

http://www.trufun.com/latvala.931005.html - 10/5/93 Gans interview 10/5/93 (DP1)

ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/latvala.interview - excerpts from Dupree’s ’94 interview

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~mleone/gdead/latvala.html - 3/5/95 Silberman interview (DP2)

ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/Latvala-on-Dicks-Pick-4 - 2/26/96 Gans interview (DP4)

http://www.gdforum.com/chats/961010DL.html - 10/10/96 GD forum interview (DP6)

http://www.well.com/conf/gdhour/latvala.970226.html - 2/26/97 Gans interview (DP7)

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.gdead/browse_thread/thread/f4034fe822c2e94e - 3/25/98 newspaper article

ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/Latvala.08.09.98 - Q&A

http://www.gdforum.com/chats/dl981030.html - 10/30/98 GD forum chat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlVU_LbOqU - DP10 Youtube interview in 3 parts (Latvala is rather wasted)

ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/Lesh-Cutler-10.17.96 - not Latvala, but Lesh & Cutler talking about Dozin’ at the Knick and how future releases will go.

ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/miscellaneous/DICKS-PICKS - the original ’93 Dick’s Picks press release.

There’s also a good Latvala interview in the first Taping Compendium. The ‘Tribute to Dick Latvala’ section in the Taping Addendum has many interviews with family & friends, on which much of this post is based. (Many thanks to Michael Getz for the interviews). Sandy Troy’s One More Saturday Night book has a brief pre-Dick’s Picks interview; and Latvala was also interviewed for the Dupree’s Diamond News, Relix and Spiral Light magazines (which I haven’t seen).

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 4, 2011 5:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: ...and a note for replies...

So here's my longest one yet. Will also be up at http://deadessays.blogspot.com of course.

If you can, please just reply to the last post so people can read through parts 1-3 more easily without it being broken up...thanks...

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Feb 4, 2011 4:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ...and a note for replies...

Thanks for that awesome read.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 4, 2011 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ...and a note for replies...

"Dick Latvala: The Book"!

Really interesting. Thanks as always for all your thoughtful research, and for sharing it as you do!

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Feb 4, 2011 10:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ...and a note for replies...

"Carol Latvala noted how eager he was to play the Dead for visitors. When anyone came around, “he thought, ‘Oh good, you’re here. Now I can play you twelve hours of the greatest thing on earth!’ But rarely did anyone have patience for more than 15 or 20 minutes’ worth. Then they’d want to start talking – imagine that! He could not understand that… Not very many people showed up on his doorstep just wanting to listen, and he never could understand that.”

Well I did. Thanks for a great way to start the day. And thanks for a great memory. I quit my job in 1977 and was riding my bike around Hawaii when I met Dick on the Big Island. I remember him the way everyone seems to - a really nice person. He and his wife put me up for a couple of days, showed me around, and were quite swell. Smoked me under the table too. Based on the above quote, I was a pretty good guest. :) After that I became one his correspondents. Tapes and what was called Puna Butter. Quite amazing what was flying through that little USPO in Pahoa, HI in Maxell tape boxes. Thanks again.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Feb 4, 2011 9:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Dick Latvala (part 2)

I recall in the early fall of 1993 six cassette tapes were handed out to one of the guitar players who then passed them over for a listen to "see what you think" oh and by the way, "don't make copies!".

Well we abided by the first request and humbly dishonored the second one. The 10/11/77 Norman show was axed due to the cut's. It was interesting to note that when the official DP Vol 1 12/19/73 Tampa show came out, our cassettes included considerably more music from the show.


Latvala told the story in 1993:

“The way this Dick's Picks thing started was in the beginning of this year. Kidd asked me to come up with the best three shows on two-track, in case he can float this idea by the band at a board meeting, which was to have Dick pick three shows off two-track and we'll call them "Dick's Picks" and start releasing two-track-material albums. And so that's how this started. So it was under what I felt like was extreme pressure that I chose three shows, and I did a lot of work listening and making sure they were okay before I made the tapes to give to Kidd to give to the band to listen to."


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Poster: dark.starz Date: Feb 4, 2011 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Dick Latvala Video Interview's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlVU_LbOqU&;playnext=1&list=PLEAE3A350144383AF

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Feb 4, 2011 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick Latvala Video Interview's

Is it safe to say "I love Dick" without a million gay jokes raining down? 'Cause I love Dick.

This essay (thanks LIA!) and the vid (thanks ds!) have officially made my day.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Feb 4, 2011 9:09am
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ps--anybody know the year of the Latvala vid posted above?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 4, 2011 6:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick Latvala Video Interview's

The youtube video is from early 1998, right after the DP10 release.
One of the things that struck me was that (in the third part) Latvala praises 9/16/90 as a very worthwhile show. Interesting, since that was way after the time period he favored (he starts the interview by saying 1977 is too late for him!)...

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Feb 4, 2011 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ...and a note for replies...

Once again, thanks . A great read, puts a lot of stuff together , some I knew , some I didn't . I think it is an understatement that we all owe a great deal to Dick's efforts .

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 4, 2011 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick Latvala (part 3)

Dick Latvala's notes for my 1st time taping
Latvala730609notes.jpg

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Feb 5, 2011 6:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Direct to Dead - 1984

I recall a proposal and business plan dubbed "Direct to Dead" written and sent in the US Mail to the San Rafael PO Box in 1984.

Inspired by the fine LP Master Recordings of the day from Mobile Fidelity, Sheffield Labs and Direct to Disc, this was essentially a prayer attempt to nudge the powers-that-be to release Reference "Direct to Disc" duplicates of the great Vault performances and distribute them wide and high.

Obviously, Dick Latvala was well on his path and eventually earned the "inside job" which almost took a decade to come to fruition.

Funny thing about Latvala whom we are all Grateful for his efforts, i don't necessarily agree with some of his assessments of what he considered to be stellar Dead Shows however. 08/01/73 ????

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 4, 2011 1:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick Latvala (part 3)

Ahem: "...the low % of killers from this year..." (1973).

A man after my own heart, eh?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 4, 2011 7:00pm
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Well...he wrote that review in 1980, when he had way fewer shows to listen to than we do now. A lot of those notebook reviews have glaring errors of judgment (I love how he dismisses 6/24/70 as "not that great"), so I guess he just had more years of listening to do and many more shows to discover, before he could become really discerning.

And obviously he'd changed his mind about 1973 by the time Dick's Picks got started! Called it the greatest year ever, with tons of killer shows...

But yes, I also noticed an odd discrepancy between all those people who knew him talking about what unparalleled expertise he had, versus some of the bizarre flubs & mis-judgments he'd come out with sometimes.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 5, 2011 2:37pm
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EDIT: sorry, LiA, but as noted below, I think my critique of Dick's experiences was unnecessarily centered on the downsides to his excessive drug use, hero-worship, anxiety disorders, etc., etc.; and I fig'd the Forum was the worse for my personal assessment of how that might have been viewed as tragic, difficult or otherwise troublesome for individuals close to him...sometimes I can be one judgmental bastard.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 5, 2011 9:13am
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Tragic?
I'm surprised by that reaction, actually... Of course, everyone will have their own reactions to his life.

I pretty much left out any reference to his family & personal life. But yes, before the Dead he did have a variety of odd jobs. He did marry and had a son. He did have friends who loved him. All of that was trivial to my subject, so I didn't really mention those things...

His life may have been pathetic, nonetheless...devoting himself body & soul to Dead tapes and drugs... And he did go through a lot of turmoil (a lot of it self-caused, I suppose...you don't join the Dead organization without getting a lot of hassles, it seems, and Latvala thrived on drama & angst).

But the people who knew him almost unanimously said that he was living exactly the life he wanted, to the end, and that they were amazed & humbled that someone could be such a success doing exactly what he wanted to do. I mean, if you read the "tribute" links I put in when he died, none of those folks seemed struck by how 'pathetic' or 'lost' he was - quite the opposite.

Personally I was quite impressed by his devotion. And I think he found a lot of (intangible) rewards in his life of collecting & sharing music.

And, by your definition, Jerry Garcia was also a pathetic lost soul - the community benefited through his efforts, but his only 'reward' was drug addiction & bad health, the only thing that "came back to him" was an unwelcome idol-worship, his 'family life' was quite unstable, and he met an equally tragic end.
And yet, that seems a limited way to sum up his life...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 5, 2011 2:31pm
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EDIT: sorry, LiA, if you didn't have a chance to read that prior equally depressing post of mine (that I just deleted), but suffice it to say it left a bad taste in my mouth, metaphorically speaking. I think it clear I was overly concerned with what might be termed the reaction of a friend or family member, or parent, to the various events described so well by you in your account of Dick's life, droning on about it now will only seem judgmental, and serve no constructive purpose.

My bad.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 5, 2011 5:46pm
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Aha...I did read your post before your EDIT, though...

I think my essay may read a little negatively (he was definitely a griper) - I didn't include much of the praise & admiration that friends wrote about him, but believe me, there was quite a lot of it.

I would just suggest that maybe you're setting the bar a little high for a successful/happy/fulfilled life. A lot of us are 'failures' & screwups in life, you know....and not everyone needs to be a great artist to find something worthwhile to devote themselves to. (Indexing the works of Mozart, however puny & ill-rewarding a task, is still a useful contribution to the world...)

Despite his personal demons and his constant complaints about the job, I think Latvala was happier & more fulfilled than many people. As Kevin Shapiro said, "He was one of the only people I’ve ever met doing EXACTLY what he wanted exactly as he wished it done... If I can leave the world with a fraction of the love and admiration he did, I will have been a success."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 5, 2011 6:31pm
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Yeah, I think setting the bar high is what being a parent is all about...not that you ever want to convey it in that spirit, but you get the idea. And trust me, I know how pathetically self-serving that reads!

You see a life, and one filled with the troubles outlined above, or Jerry for example, and I would offer the following: I'd trade the Jerry we had for one that lived til he was 80, happily married, with grandkids on his knee, while pursuing, I dunno, half-assed art (barely making ends meet selling ties perhaps?) for the one that manifested itself, IF he found happiness in doing so. Are we really all willing to admit "yep, there's nothing we can do about these self-destructive aspects of friends and family?" Maybe so.

I just imagine that if anyone of us were close to such a person, and witnessed each of those ontogenetic events, we would have been in his face with an intervention in a split second. And of course, as you can imagine, it's precisely because I lived thru so many tragic events of separate lives that I come to believe there has to be a better way...and if that derives from high expectations and the consequent let-downs, so be it. Sitting back and watching it happen just isn't for me, even if that's been the end result many a time.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Feb 5, 2011 5:59pm
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It's funny how the focus-on-the-positive came up right about the same time as your original comment, which you have thankfully rescinded.

We, as Deadheads, have certainly benefitted from Latvala's dedication to getting the music out there. His determination with this music is obsessive yet admirable.

Latvala may not have had the genius or output of Garcia, or any other successful junkie, but he did leave one heck of a legacy that is important to anyone who cares about tape trading.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 5, 2011 6:06pm
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The irony is that it's my upbeat nature that correlates with this "see the negative" in the narrative above. Does that make sense? I could see you going on to do important things with the DEAD, but in a more upbeat, less destructive fashion (I just think along these lines), and we'd all be talking about it in 30 yrs: how your hobby became your life, your source of income, and everyone always patted you on your back for having done so well with merging the two. But, if I found out you took massive amounts of drugs to listen, seemed to have difficulty with the obsession, blah, blah, blah, next year or so into this dream life, I'd try to talk you out of it, ya know? Somehow it occurred to me that there HAD to be a better way to achieve it; but of course, that's always the case, eh? Hindsight and all...

Hang in there kid.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Feb 5, 2011 7:11pm
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I think I get what you are saying. Although he followed his passion and obtained his dream job, he was not able to have this "success" without the associated destructive behavior that he partook in to deal with his stress or other reasons. In that respect, there is a bittersweet and tragic aspect to yet another GD "hero".

I'm hanging in there WTell, though it's tough lookin for that first job out of university.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 6, 2011 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick Latvala (part 3)

Re: "And, by your definition, Jerry Garcia was also a pathetic lost soul - the community [planet Earth] benefited through his efforts."

The latter half of the above sentence is my "bottom line." At the end of the day, it's my thesis. This point is referenced again and again in my Taper's handbook for Hippies and Music Lovers and Peace:


visit my Taper's home page on The Archive

June 1973 RFK Stadium webpage

Sound System and The Crew

Alembic and Ampex Corporation technical know-how

Taper's portable cassette recorders - early 1970s

Taper's "reel changes" explained

Taping the Europe '72 tour on a 16-track Ampex deck modified by Alembic

2-inch quad video debated - Tivoli show, Copenhagen, 17 April 1972

AVI of Tivoli show, Copenhagen, 17 April 1972

FM radio broadcasting The Dead

Jer shooting at Tapers during a Matrix debate

Archiving the bands and musicians - cadre of musicians debated

Mark O'Conner unleashed at 15! Vince Gill at 18! Monte is busted sharing music!

Cowboys debated

help find Monte's LOST Video Tape Recordings from TBF 1985

CBS Documentary - Hippie Temptation - 1967

Grateful Dead roots and the Greenpeace connection

Grateful Dead response to the Kent State Massacre

Peace and Reconciliation Movement debated

Net Neutrality debated -- with Updates

Trolls

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Poster: deyzof49 Date: Feb 5, 2011 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick Latvala (part 3)

"..sometimes I can be one judgmental bastard." I read your earlier posts in this thread hours ago and was surprised. Please chill Mr Tell.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-03-16.sbd.cantor.hamilton.167.shnf

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 5, 2011 6:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick Latvala (part 3)

Good advice...I still do think both Dick and Jerry have elements akin to many "tragic figures", each in their own ways...not sure there's much room to get around that, regardless of how much happiness they brought folks, BUT that doesn't mean I have to belabor the pt, right?

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Poster: Reade Date: Feb 6, 2011 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick Latvala (part 3)

It always seemed to me like Dick was a kid in a candy store in this life, and he embodied some of the great (boundless enthusiasm) and not-so-great (over-indulgence; nobody on earth drank coffee like that guy) aspects of that.

Misguided? Glaring errors of judgement? Nah. He was just Dick going about his business.
We should all have 30- and 40-year old notes to ourselves scrutinized in this way before analyzing his.

Kesey once said in response to why should a prankster never be trusted (and I paraphrase here) ....'becasue we're gonna lie to you. Not because we're trying to, but because tomorrow we might stop believing what we told you today.'

Dick changed his mind alot. I happen to believe that if he lived long enough he even would have changed his mind about the horns in Sept. of '73!

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Feb 4, 2011 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick Latvala (part 3)

Misguided minds think alike? Or is every misguided mind misguided in its own way?

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Poster: hasher Date: Feb 4, 2011 5:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick Latvala (part 3)

Thank you so much for working on and compiling all this wonderful information.

My favorite part:

..."His philosophy was, ‘You give it away and it comes back to you in the end.’”

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Poster: snori Date: Feb 4, 2011 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick Latvala (part 3)

Thanks once again for all the time and effort you put into these essays LIA. It's lucky the weekend is coming up so there will be time to do this latest one justice using all the links provided. We can only speculate on whether he would have been (or wished to be)included in the Rhino deal, but it sure would have been good to have him on the inside.